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1987-07-09 . . CITY OF ENCINITAS 535 Encinitas Boulevard, suite 100 8' Encinitas, California 92024 (619) 944-5050 Minutes of Old Encinitas Community Advisory Board (CAB) July 9, 1987 All members present: Chairman Harry Couglar, Gail Hano, Tony Kauflin, Nancy Rollman, Peter Tobias Staff present: Tom Curriden, Assistant Planner Item 5 - Public Hearinqs Assistant Planner Curriden stated that two items had been continued until July 23rd at the request of the applicant. The two items were: 1. DR87-01-0E, a proposed addition of a second unit on a lot containing an existing single-family dwelling for Barbara Cope, applicant. 2. DR87-02-0E, a proposed addition and remodel to an existing automobile service establishment located at l10 North Highway 101 for the applicants Edith and Hugo Hahn. 8 Item 5A - Variance 87-001V. Paul Rotsheck. applicant. Staff read a brief introduction of the item into the record, stating that there appeared to be some evidence to warrant making the required findings for the variance and that evidence was contained in the staff report for the item. CAB Chairman Couglar then opened the matter to public comment. Mr. Allan Dorfman of 345 First Street stated that he concurred with the discussion contained in the staff report and encouraged the CAB to make the required findings and approve the variance. Mr. Couglar asked staff if the monument sign can be a directory sign. staff indicated that the term "monument sign" refers to a type of construction of sign and can be proposed to have any type of message desired. Nancy Rollman stated that she had difficulty in seeing evidence to support findings A and B. Gail Hano commented that the applicant for this project was requested earlier by the Board of Zoning Administration to design the center in the manner that it ultimately was; therefore, she felt the applicant was entitled to special dispensation. 8 Tony Kauflin that this project had less signage than any other commercial project in the area. TM/lk/CAB1-107 . ~hairman Couglar asked staff to clarify what they considered to be "special circumstances" in this instance. staff replied that 8' there were two elements pointed to in the staff report as special circumstances, one being that the design and orientation of the structures were such that the proj ect signing would have extremely limited street visibility, and that the site for this project happened to have 240 feet of street frontage, 10 feet below the amount at which the applicants would be entitled to have an additional monument sign which could be used for directory purposes. Peter Tobias stated that he was fundamentally in favor of the signs and felt that requiring an applicant to design a commercial project around signage would not be reasonable, but also stated he was concerned that it would be a "special privilege" to allow the applicant to exceed the sign size limitations of Code in this instance. Mr. Tobias also stated he felt there needed to be a sign ordinance which contained provisions for providing special spaces for directory signs in commercial projects. Chairman Couglar asked staff if the monument sign could be expanded to accommodate directory signage. staff responded that the proposed monument sign was as high as could be allowed under the sign regulations, but that it could be expanded lengthwise to an amount at which the sign could be as much as 175 sq. ft., significantly more than its present 96 sq. ft. Chairman Couglar then stated that he did not see compelling evidence that the 8 findings can be made, in that the applicant may have reasonable alternatives such as putting directory signage on the monument sign. Peter Tobias then proposed that the CAB make alternate findings for A and B. He said that the applicant's not taking full advantage of the allowed size of the monument sign could be seen as a special circumstance and therefore it would not be a grant of special privilege for the applicant to place a directory wall sign, in excess of the size limitations of Code, as a means of making up for that deficiency. Nancy Rollman then stated that the CAB could have as a condition of the variance that no more square footage could be used on the monument sign than had been originally proposed, for directory or any other purposes. Peter Tobias then moved that the CAB approve the proposed variance based on the alternative findings he had just proposed. The motion was seconded by Tony Kauflin and was approved unanimously. Item 5B. Staff made a brief presentation of the item, stating that it is proposal for a remodel of the Old Market Place, an existing commercial building located 1010 Old Highway 101, and described what the applicants were proposing to do to the site as part of the remodel. Peter Kuhns of 221 West "E" Street in Encinitas spoke on behalf of the project. He stated that the trunk length 8 of the proposed palm trees was 20 feet, and that he would be willing to put in place any type of canopy the CAB felt TC/lk/CABI-I07 -2- . .. ,appropriate, and that the canopies would be done in the aqua and . white colors originally proposed. Mr. Kuhns also stated that he 8' understood the roof-mounted flags were not allowable. Tony Kauflin asked Mr. Kuhns about a "stop-ahead" sign that had been obscured by one of the existing street trees. Mr. Kuhns stated that he didn't even know the sign existed, and stated that it would be visible with the installation of the proposed palm ~es along the street. Gail Hano asked staff about the possibility of a "waiver of liability", such as are used by other cities, in this instance. staff replied that in cases where there were no liability problems, cities often issue encroachment agreements, to allow various kinds of structures or plants within the public right-of- way, which require that the applicant assume the responsibility for removing those encroachment at any time that the City wants the right-of-way cleared. Peter Kuhns stated that other cities allow encroachments such as the proposed awnings and that they "get those cases dismissed as nuisance suits". Gail Hano noted that there were eleven (II) openings in the sidewalk for trees as opposed to the ten shown, but that one was too close to the corner in the red zone. Chairman Couglar next said that the"flavor of Old Highway 101 is variety", and said that it was difficult to define a predominant type of street for the area, and that he felt King or Queen Palms 8 would be better than Washingtonia Palms in this case because of their ease of maintenance and more full foliage. Mr. Kuhns stated that he preferred Washingtonia but would be satisfied with any type of palm trees along the street. Nancy Rollman then asked about the relationship of the large sign in the center of the street-facing wall of the project to the "ridges" which exist in the brick face. Mr. Kuhns stated that the sign was to be mounted on those ridges but would give the appearance of being flush with the wall. Ms. Rollman then asked staff if the CAB can approve the proposed awnings from a design perspective. Planner Curriden stated that the CAB could approve the awnings as a function of their Design Review, but said that the public right-of-way is really the domain of the City Council and that the Public Works Director's opinion that the right-of- way should be kept clear of any obstructions which may have public safety occasions is a matter which should be dealt with by the Council. Peter Tobias asked if the applicant would want the existing signs within the band board in the center of the front wall of the building as part of the final design. Peter Kuhns indicated that he did want those signs to remain. Gail Hano stated that she would like to see the tree openings in the sidewalk have something done with them. Mr. Couglarywhy the 8 applicant was not proposing grates for those openings. ~"q Mr. Tobias asked Planner Curriden to check with the City Attorney TC/lk/CABI-I07 -3- . IÞ ,and request a letter about the City's position as to potential liability from obstructions in the public right-of-way and 8' present that letter to the CAB at their next meeting. Nancy Rollman then stated that the CAB should also have the proposal revised for the next meeting to indicate what is specifically to be done with the tree wells and signage, etc. The CAB indicated at that point their preference for the grates in the tree openings. Chairman Couglar stated that he wanted to see a finished product before approval. He also reitierated his earlier comment about preferring King or Queen palms to Washingtonia palms, in that all that is visible from the street of Washingtonia palms is trunks. Nancy Rollman agreed with Chairman Couglar on that matter. Peter Kuhns asked if the existing signing on the site was satisfactory to the CAB. The members indicated that, in general, they had no obj ection to the signing. Planner Curriden stated that all signing should be shown and scaled for verification relative to the City's sign size limitations. Chairman Couglar then proposed a motion to continue the item until the meeting of July 23rd, in order to give the applicant time to respond the the CAB's concerns, and the motion seconded by Gail Hano and approved unanimously. Item 6. 8 Peter Tobias stated he had talked to some people about street and street furniture. He then proposed that the CAB form a sub- committee of two members to discuss matters related to street lights, furniture, awnings, etc. and report back with recommendations to the CAB. He also stated he would like that committee to coordinate with similar committees in Cardiff and Leucadia to ensure a satisfactory transition between CAB areas. He then asked for any volunteers who might be interested to serve on the committee, and Mr. Tobias and Nancy Rollman indicated that raising their hands that they would like to. Tony Kauflin stated he would be interested in serving as an alternate. Peter Tobias then made a formal motion to nominate himself and Nancy Rollman for the street Improvement Sub-Committee, with Tony Kauflin serving as an alternate, and the motion was seconded by Harry Couglar and approved unanimously by the committee. Peter Tobias asked staff if the CAB could be provided a listing of city hall personnel at the next meeting, and Planner Curriden indicated that he would provide the members with one. Tom Curriden Assistant Planner TC:lk 8 7-15-87 TC/lk/CABI-I07 -4-